Posted by: Teacherman () on Mon Feb 10 19:59:17 2003

>>> This thread on 'staying inside the ball' never did reach any sort of resolution.
> I will throw out several questions that need to be addressed in order to have this discussion:
> 1- is 'staying inside the ball' and 'keeping the hands in' the same thing?
> 1A - if not, what does 'staying inside the ball' mean?
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> 2- what is relationship between transfer mechanics and 'staying inside the ball' (that is pretty close to Phil's original question)
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> 3- if good transfer mechanics = staying connected, does staying connected necessarily make the hitter 'stay inside the ball' ? <<<
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> Hi Major Dan & Teacherman
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> I think Major Dan asked the key question, “what does 'staying inside the ball' mean?” I really have had a problem identifying the real purpose of the cue. From a normal position in the box, the ball is around 24 inch or so from the hands at contact. And since for most of the strike zone the hand-path also reaches it’s widest path at contact, there is virtually no way the hands could even approach going “outside the ball.” So, “what does 'staying inside the ball' mean?” What is supposed to accomplish?
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> In my opinion, when the cue was originated, it had nothing to do with staying connected. I think the “keep your hands inside the ball” cue is and old holdover from linear mechanics. It was intended to take any arc (or loop) out of the hand-path so the hands could go directly (straight) to the ball. --- For a batter to produce the most productive circular-hand-path, the first direction of the hands can not be back at the pitcher. As I show in the instructional video, the first movement must be perpendicular to the flight of the ball or parallel to the catcher’s shoulders. To me, “Keep your hands inside the ball” and “ The first movement of the hands must be perpendicular to the flight of the ball” are contradicting terms.
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> Jack Mankin

Jack/Dan

A lot of people say keep the hands inside the ball. But a more effective cue, in my experience, is "hit the inside of the ball". Obviously the hands are always inside the ball. But telling someone to hit the inside of the ball says something completely different. I think it's very similar to the pin ball flipper idea and I think it helps with connection, helps with avoiding casting, helps with keeping the hands in and helps with letting the ball travel deeper.

To me, I see the benefit of the "cue" "hit the inside of the ball". I'm not sure that the "reality" is you actually hit the inside of the ball. I think it addresses the angle of approach creating a short compact swing versus the longer loopy swing.
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